S03|08 - The 4-step process to deal with anxiety in your teens with Daelene Byam
Oct 18, 2021
Daelene Byam is a certified teen anxiety coach, a mother of four sons and new daughter-in-law, and lives in Alberta Canada. One of Daelene’s son’s suffered from anxiety his whole life and with the help of the tools she teaches he's been able to successfully go to university, make it on the Dean’s list each semester and is running his own successful business. Daelene helps teens stop fighting against their feelings of anxiety and teaches them how to handle it in all areas of their life.
What we cover:
- How Daelene got into anxiety coaching and her son’s story with it
- The 4-step process to find “thought holes” and deal with them
- How to help your children and teens dealing with anxiety
Connect with Daelene: https://www.daelenebyam.com/
Connect on Instagram: @anxietycoachdaelene
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Episode Transcript
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The 4-step process to deal with anxiety in your teens with Daelene Byam.
Daelene Byam’s background, and what she does
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Daelene Byam is a certified teen anxiety coach, a mother of four sons and new daughter-in-law, and she lives in Alberta, Canada.
One of Daelene’s sons suffered from anxiety his whole life and with the help of the tools that she teaches, he's been able to successfully; go to university, make it on the Dean’s list each semester, and is running his own successful business to pay for his schooling.
Daelene helps teens stop fighting against their feelings of anxiety and teaches them how to handle it in all areas of their life.
All right. Hi, I am so excited to chat with you today.
Daelene Byam: Hey Crystal, how's it going?
Crystal The Parenting Coach: So good. I know a lot about you, but my listeners don't. So, first of all, before we get into chatting, I would love for you to tell us a little bit about you and what you do.
Daelene Byam: Yeah, for sure. So, my name's Daelene Byam. I actually am an anxiety coach. I work with teenagers, the age group that I work with is usually 11 to-- I don't know. I don't know what my top age group is actually, because I feel like my age group flocks to me; and so, I don't really-- I'm not really specific about it.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.
Daelene Byam: My people come to me, and it just always seems to work out. So, I guess, that's what I choose – 11 to, I guess, 23; I say 23 because that's my oldest client right now.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. Somewhere in the 20s.
Daelene Byam: Somewhere in there, that's it. But my biggest criteria is anxiety. Like I won't take you unless you're struggling with anxiety. I shouldn't say that; I do have a few that I do, but I really do focus in on anxiety because that's what I'm really good at.
So, I'm certified through the Life Coach School, just like you. I've done a little bit of extra breathing technique trainings and stuff like that on the side that I incorporated into my program too, that I love. I actually really want to do tapping, have you done tapping? I really want to do tapping.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh wait, I haven't, but I've been to other programs where they did use tapping, so I've used it on myself – but I'm not certified in it, but it does-- Yeah, I've heard that it's really helpful for anxiety.
Daelene Byam: Yeah, that's my next endeavor in September is I'm going to start training in tapping. So, I'm super excited about that. So, yeah.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Awesome.
Daelene Byam: So, that's my kind of credentials, I guess. My credentials I feel like include also my own children because I have so much experience with anxiety with them and bringing my own children up.
How Daelene got into anxiety coaching and her son’s story with it
So, I have four boys – that we have – and their ages are 15, 20, 22, and 24. And our 22-year-old just got married; so, we've brought in a new girl into our family - so excited about that.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: That is so exciting for you.
Daelene Byam: I know. It's so fun to have a girl to like do stuff with and buy stuff for it. And anyways, I'm just loving it.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Hey, I would love for you to tell us like how you got in, what makes you so passionate about this? How did you get started?
Daelene Byam: Yeah. Yeah. So, it's my-- One of my boys really, really struggled with anxiety – literally, from Day 1. Like, we would say something-- He would say something funny in a group setting, and he would get so frustrated and mad when we all would laugh at him; and he would like storm off, it just made him so anxious.
He was like constantly calling me and asking me what was for dinner, because he just had to have a plan. He had to know what was going on and if we changed that plan in any way, it would like frustrate him so much. So, that was kind of the beginning of it.
I remember sitting in our vehicle, he was supposed to go in for piano lessons and sitting in the vehicle and him just having a breakdown; he just could not go in. He could not go in and sit and do piano lessons; he was just so anxious about it.
So, it really started to show up in high school. We talk about all the time how, he's like a big basketball player; he's really good. He's like captain of his basketball team, and he's supposed-- He went on to play college ball.
And we talk about, he's like one of those players that he got a technical for getting after his own teammates. And that hardly like, that's just like kind of unheard of because he even said to them, "Those are my own teammates."
And they're like, "Yeah, we know." But that's how his anxiety would show up in anger and frustration because he just didn't know what to do with it; he didn't know how to handle it.
And so, when he went into university, he really sabotaged himself there because he wasn't getting any help; he was so anxious – and the thing is, is he would explode in anger, and that's how he would deal with his anxiety.
But when you go away to university, you don't have that comfort zone of your family anymore to explode on, right? You're living with other kids, you're going to school, you're in a new area and you just don't have that outlet that you used before as like his explosion.
And so, he really had to suppress it; and he suppressed it so much that he pushed himself kind of into a depression. And so, he was flunking out of university. He wasn't showing up, for his practices, in a way that the coach needed him to be there; and so, he got cut from the team. Just a whole series of events kind of happened to him.
And it was at that point, that he started to get some coaching done for himself. He started working with a life coach, and it just kind of changed everything for him.
And now this kid, I love bragging about him so much; and I have to be careful because they brag about him, so, I have to be careful because I have other kids too. But his accomplishments has been so great after, kind of, coming over this and knowing how to deal with it.
He's on the dean's list now. He got married, he started his own business. He's served a mission for our church. And he's just really has turned everything around for himself because he knows what to do.
And the thing, Crystal, is my most favorite story about him is one day he's pacing in the kitchen – he's home for a second, he's pacing in the kitchen – my husband turns to him and says, "What is going on here?"
And he just turned to my husband and he said, "Dad, I just have a little bit of anxiety right now – I just have to process it and deal with it for a minute, give me a minute."
And it was so great because it wasn't an explosion of anger, he knew exactly what he needed to do, he knew how to handle it, and how to express himself about it, and notice that he was having anxiety and then what was he going to do now?
It was so great. I just loved it. And so, when I saw that he could do that, I wanted other kids to do that. So, when I get an 11- or a 12-year-old that wants to work with me, I am so excited because I know that we're stopping that cycle of anxiety going into high school and college and all those kids that are struggling and not knowing what to do.
I'm helping them before they get there so that they can be successful and amazing, and do all the great things that they're meant to do without their anxiety holding them back.
And so, that's why; that is like such my passion to do it and get this information and knowledge to as many teens as I possibly can.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. I love when you talked about that because you're so passionate about it and, you know, when somebody's like so passionate about something that that's like their mission, you're like, 'Yes, this is what you're meant to do in the world.'
And I have so many questions after you went through that; one is, currently, does he still deal with anxiety? Is it something that he just kind of always deals with and is always coping with?
Daelene Byam: Yeah, 100%. He still is anxious, of course, right? And I don't know that his anxiety levels are any more higher than, say, you or me now – I don't think, maybe.
But he just-- He's so good at dealing with it, and knowing what to do, and how to handle it that it just doesn't affect him the way it used to. And so, of course, and that's the biggest thing that I talk to when I'm talking to a new client.
I'm like, 'We are not trying to get rid of your anxiety here – that is not what I do, that is not what I preach at all.
My thing is I teach you what to do when you're feeling anxiety; how to handle it, what to do so that you can move forward and still do the things that you love, and want to do, and talk to people, and go to school, and show up at your practice and not be worried that you're going to be hurt in a football game.
Like, these are all things that have come up just this week with my clients, that it's okay that we can figure this out and I'm going to teach you what to do when that comes up for you – instead of feeling like you have to get rid of it, because that's not what I preach at all or teach, I guess… preach and teach.
My own experience of parenting a child struggling with anxiety
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. You can still live with it; you can find coping mechanisms so that it doesn't affect your life. You can do all the things that you want to do; I love that.
And when you were talking, it really reminded me of my son as well because I didn't even really notice that he had anxiety because of the angry thing, right?
You don't really notice, especially when they're little, you just think, Oh, they're just like an angry toddler.' 'Okay, they're now-- they're just like an angry young child.' 'Okay, now they're just like an angry tween.' Right?
Daelene Byam: Right.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: And, you can't-- A lot of people don't talk about how anxiety presents itself as anger as well, and frustration, and those kind of bursts. And so, I think that's a really helpful point.
And also, when you talked about frustration when things weren't planned, like my son does that all the time. He's like, the night before he's like, 'What are we doing in the morning?' And then, he'll be like, 'We're an hour late.'
And I'm like, 'That was just like a tentative plan. Like we're just going to the beach. Like, it's not a big deal.'
Daelene Byam: Right?
Crystal The Parenting Coach: And he's like, 'But we're an hour past schedule.' And so, that really-- Yeah. That's so interesting because he does deal with anxiety and it didn't occur to me that all of that was kind of like connected, why he's like constantly--
He's always texting us like, 'ETA, ETA – like, when are you going to be home? What's going to-- What's happening?' So anyways, this conversation has been super helpful for me as well.
How The CTFAR Model helps with anxiety
Daelene Byam: And I think that's why so often, and I say this to a lot of other coaches too, is I coach a lot – and I don't know how much your listeners know The Model, but The Model is our Circumstance, Thoughts, Feelings, Actions, Results, right?
And they all are connected together and a lot of coaches don't coach a lot on the action-line, and that's kind of what we're taught. But I actually do coach a lot on the action-line because of that, because they need to make a plan and they need to know for themselves what they're going to do.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Wow.
Daelene Byam: And it just causes so much, calm for them to know. And so, I do do a little bit more coaching on the action-line because of that.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. You know what, I think that a lot of coaches that have really specific specialties do do that just because they bring so much more expertise into that A-line part of it.
So, I feel that way within my parent coaching that I do, like, I do give a lot of actionable tips and strategies as well.
And for the listeners that are like, 'What Model are they talking about? I don't understand,' go back to Season 1 and watch the episode, or listen to the episode about The Model, and you'll totally know what we're talking about – or you can message me and I can explain it to you as well.
The 4-step process to deal with anxiety in your teens
Okay. So, my next question then, after we've talked about this whole story, which I love – I love this background – is, for people that are listening that are dealing with anxiety themselves, what would you, what kind of tips or help or strategies do you find the most successful with when working with your clients?
Daelene Byam: Okay, so the funny thing is, is I know we've talked before, Crystal; and every time I talk to people, I have different ones that I love at the time, right? I'm constantly changing different ones that I focus on, and that's why-- I think that's why I keep my clients--
I keep my clients for 24 weeks because I'm constantly evolving, and changing, and adding, and doing things.
Step 1. Pay attention to your thoughts
One of my favorite things right now is, focusing, having yourself look at your "thought holes"; and "thought holes" are things that are causing you to kind of get stuck, things that are causing you to feel anxious.
The major "thought hole" that causes anxiety
So, there's a few "thought holes" that I like to focus on are;
(a) Guessing what other people are thinking or how things are going to work out
The first one is guessing what other people are thinking or how things are going to work out. So, we're just assuming or guessing things. And so, that's one of the biggest "thought holes"; I feel like that's one of the biggest ones.
(b) Focusing on the negative things
The second one is focusing on the negative things. Looking at what's going to go wrong, all the things that could not work out instead of looking at the positive things. I think that's another big "thought hole" we can kind of get into.
(c) Thinking everyone is judging you and negatively focusing on you
The third one is thinking everyone is judging you, and looking at you, and paying attention of you in a negative way. That's one of the other big "thought holes".
(d) Talking in absolutes
And then, the last one is talking in absolutes; and me and my husband have been talking about this a lot, absolutes. Always saying, "Always or never," or "This is the worst," or those kind of things.
I think absolutes is a really, really interesting thing to do. What I want you to do is pay attention to those "thought holes".
Step 2. Look for your thought holes
See if you're falling into those "thought holes" because we have so many thoughts going through our brain every day; and if we can start paying attention to what's going on, if you're starting to feel a negative thought or feeling, sit there and think, 'What am I telling myself here? What is the "thought hole" that I'm falling into?'
And then, look at it and pay attention to it.
Step 3. Look for ways your thoughts could be wrong
And then, I want you to look for ways that that "thought hole" could be wrong, that your thought could be wrong. And take a look at it then and sit there and look at it.
Step 4. Just change your thought
And then, I want you to think of a different way to think about it.
So, it's kind of like a four-step thing – so pay attention to your thoughts, look for the "thought holes", look for ways your thoughts could be wrong, and then change your thoughts.
So, that's kind of a little process that I've got some of my clients doing right now that I just love. It just kind of gives them a step-by-step kind of thing. So, that's one of the things that I love doing.
And that way, they can kind of just open up their minds a little bit to what they're telling themselves and realizing that they have a little bit of control over that, that they could maybe change the narrative a bit.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, and I love that it's such a controlled four-step thing too because I think that a lot of times with anxiety, we're like, 'Well, I don't know how to do it, you know, how to deal with this – and I don't know what to do.'
But it's like, Step 1, this is what you do – Step 2, this is what you do. So, I think that's super, super powerful.
Summarizing the four-step process to deal with anxiety
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Can you just go over those four steps one more time for us? Yeah.
Daelene Byam: So, Step 1, pay attention to your thoughts. Step 2, look for your "thought holes". Step 3, look for ways your thoughts could be wrong. And then, Step 4 is, just change your thought. And it sounds so simple, right?
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. I love that.
Daelene Byam: If it could that simple--
Crystal The Parenting Coach: I’m like, ‘Oh yeah, I could do that.' It might be a little bit, a little harder to do than to say, but I think that the more that we practice it, the better that we get at it, right?
It's like, instead of being worried about whether or not we're doing it right or doing it perfectly, or if we totally understand how to do it – just getting it done, and then trying it over and over again.
Daelene Byam: Yeah. And do you know what? And sometimes, maybe your thought isn't wrong – maybe you're okay with that thought, maybe you're fine to stay there; and that's okay too.
And I want my clients to know that too; I want anyone to know – maybe it's fine to stay there, maybe you want to be miserable for a little while, maybe you just want to sit in that misery or that anxiousness; and that's okay too. It's so fine.
And I think that's an important thing too, is 'Yeah, I'm feeling anxious right now and it's uncomfortable, and that's okay.' You totally are fine to sit there and do that. And then, what are you going to do, kind of thing? How are you going to keep going?
Step 5. (bonus step): Drop that extra outer layer of judgment
Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that because I just had a client yesterday that I was talking to about this, like a really similar concept, and I want to-- I want to add this as like an extra bonus tip, Step 5, that kind of goes with what you were talking about.
But we have like these primary emotions, right? So, our primary emotion might be worry or fear or shame. And then, we kind of add the secondary emotion of, you know, something else like anxiety. And then, we might have even a tertiary emotion - and oftentimes, it's judgment.
So, oftentimes, we judge our anxiety. We're like, 'Well, we shouldn't be feeling that way – this is so dumb, right? Why would we be afraid of this? Why would-- Why are we even worried about this? This is so silly.'
And so, what I was telling her was like, "Let's just only drop that layer. Like let's just drop the judgment layer and let's let the anxiety and the fear and the shame still be there for now." But like, just dropping that extra outer layer of judgment can be really powerful.
Daelene Byam: Yeah. And I think one of the other ones on that layer too is, 'Why do I always do this to myself? Why do I always feel this way? Why does this always happen to me?' And kind of going into that victim mentality too on it; I think that happens a lot too.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Just figure out what your outer layer is, and be like, 'Let's just work on that. Like let's keep all of the other things, all the other discomfort, but let's just try to get rid of that one little thing.' Okay.
Daelene Byam: Right?
How to help your children and teens dealing with anxiety
Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, a lot of my listeners or moms, maybe all of them, I don't even know-- I don't know. I don’t know exactly what the demographic is here; anybody can listen, but it is geared towards moms.
So, a lot of people will come to me and say, "How do I deal with my kids' anxiety?" So, maybe I don't like-- So, me, personally, I don't deal with anxiety, and so I didn't even know-- Like, I didn't know how to notice it in my kids; I didn't know what that it was even going on.
It's not something that, you know, even runs in my family. And so, well, I guess maybe it does now; I just probably didn't know as much about it before.
So, I would love for you to give us, what help do you give mothers that are going through this with their children? Or I guess, what things helped you when you were a mother going through this?
(i) Help them name their emotion (one-word emotion)
Daelene Byam: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think one of the best ways to do is just help them name their emotion. Like, 'What is going on here right now? What are you actually feeling?' 'Because I know you're mad or you're crying and you're sad or you're shaking or you're sick to your stomach, because quite often that shows up' – being sick to your stomach, right?
Like, that's what they really feel like; and that feels uncomfortable, and they don't want to feel that either, right? And so, I think these things kind of show up and they're not sure what is causing it.
So, if you can get them to sit back, take a few breaths. I love if you can find a great breathing technique for your kid; it’s so helpful. So, helpful for them to just sit, relax for a second because you're not going to get it out of them when they're having their panic – or they're crying or their anger or anything like that.
But just get them to sit there and relax for a second; breathe in and breathe out a little bit, and then start to talk to them and really see what is causing that. What is the emotion that's causing them to react this way? And see if you can really find it.
And they probably won't come up with a one-word emotion; they're probably going to tell you a sentence first, "I'm really worried about this", or "This kind of makes me scared", or "I don't want to go to school".
That's probably what's going to happen. It's something like, "I don't want to go to school, I don't have any friends, nobody wants to play with me, I have no friends," kind of things like that, right?
Those are the things that kind of come up, and then kind of go into the feeling a little bit, and really find the feeling or emotion that's there from that sentence. I finally come up with a sentence a lot easier than they would come up with in emotion.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: I think this is true with adults even, right? Like, I'm like, 'How are you feeling?' And they give me this whole story or this whole sentence; nobody ever answers with one emotion word. And so, I'm like, 'Okay, let's try to dig down to that one emotion word.'
And so, I think this is helpful when we can practice it on ourselves, and naming our emotions with just one word. And then, also, helping them, like what you said, it's kind of reflecting back to them like, 'Okay, it sounds like you're feeling worry – it sounds like you're feeling fear or nervousness.'
(ii) Get them to describe their emotion
Daelene Byam: Yeah. Yeah. And then, get them to really describe it. We talk about describing your emotions so much within our community, right? Describe it so much to themselves so that they can visually see something even.
I think it's so good for them to see it. Describe it, what does it look like to them? Maybe it's like a little tiny creature or something to them, right? I think if you can really just get them to describe it so much that they can visually see it in their mind, is so good – and see that that's what that emotion looks like.
(iii) Name their emotion with a name (an actual name)
And then, I like to even name their emotion with a name – an actual name. So, maybe it's like Alice Anxiety or something like that. Like name the emotion with an actual name so that they can relate to it, and then it's not so scary to them.
'You know, Alice's anxiety is with me for the day and it's okay, we're just going to-- She's going to be with me and I'm going to take her to school with me for the day, and that's okay.'
We can do that. We can have her come to school with you. You know, you've got a little bit of a 'worry friend' with you today – that's okay. Bring them along to school with you, take them out to a friend's house, whatever it is; they're just your little partner for the day, and it's totally fine.
It's not going to hurt you. It might feel a little uncomfortable to bring them around.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Hey, I love the idea. I talk about naming our brain all the time, right, the silly part of our brain that's like, 'Don't do this,' or 'Don't do that,' or 'You're not doing enough of this or you should be doing more of that.'
And I think that the idea of naming that emotion as well, like giving it like a fictional name character so that we can just like – it kind of separates you from it. I think that when we're in anxiety we're just like, 'This is us and this is who we are, and we're always going to be here in this deep dark hole we can't get out of.'
And so, anything that helps separate us from that emotion is so helpful.
Remember that anxiety is just an emotion, and it doesn't have to have that control
Daelene Byam: Yeah. And that's one of my biggest things too is I always tell kids, even those ones that have been diagnosed with anxiety, I try and get them to change the narrative a little bit on telling themselves that they have anxiety to telling themselves they feel anxiety. They're just feeling it--
If you tell yourself that you have it, it feels like it's like a disease, right? You've got this tropical disease, but I don't want them to feel like it's something that they can't get rid of or they can't deal with without big interventions or whatever.
It's something that they just feel, and it comes along as a feeling, and it can kind of come-and-go a little bit; and they have a little bit more control over it then instead of anxiety having control over them.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. I was going to ask you to leave us with one last word of wisdom, but I think what you just said is so powerful. So, I just really want to stay there for a minute. I think that that is the word of wisdom. I think that it is, that you just need to make that that differentiation – that switch – from, this is what I've--
You know, because I think when we're diagnosed with things, we really take it on. There's a lot of stigma around like, 'Okay, well, now it means this, and what can I even do?' And maybe it means that I can't get the career I want or have a healthy relationship later on or have children or whatever it is that we make it mean.
So, instead of like, 'I have this and I've been diagnosed with it' to 'I feel anxiety,' because it's an emotion.
Daelene Byam: Yeah, it is. It's just an emotion, and it doesn't have to have that control. And I feel like we feel like it has this big strong hold over us, and that we don't have any control over that; but we do.
We have so much control over it, and it takes time. It totally takes so much time to figure that out and figure out what works for us and how we can take control over it. And then, and the thing is, it's not getting rid of it.
It's just accepting it and allowing it to be there, and just putting all these great tools in place that are helpful; and of course, everything's different for everybody – and everyone, things kind of resonate with them.
That's why I have so many that I try, and suggest, and work through, and give because some things really resonate and work really well with one person and not as much. But I do feel like that telling yourself that you feel it, works for everybody; that's just kind of universal.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. I love that that's what we ended on, and that's what works for everyone. And I also love that you work with people for so long because it really helps them; learn all these tools, learn all these tips, figure out which ones work for them and which ones don't, and have time to practice and come back and tweak that so that they can really learn these coping skills.
I think that's so great. Okay, I've loved this conversation today. I love so many little parts about it, and I think it's going to be so helpful for my listeners. So, thank you for coming on and sharing all that knowledge with us.
Daelene Byam: Thank you.
How to find Daelene Byam
Crystal The Parenting Coach: And I would love for you to tell, our audience, how can they find you? How can they reach out to you if they want to connect or follow along with what you're doing on social media?
Daelene Byam: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. So, I'm on Instagram – it's @anxietycoachdaelene – D-A-E-L-E-N-E – that's where I'm usually most active. I am the worst in the summer because we come to a National Park in the summer. We live in our fifth-wheel all-summer-long, and our kids work here in the National Park.
And so, it's like such-- And there's so many cousins, like hundreds of cousins here; and so, we are constantly on the go. So, I do kind of take the summer off, but come September 1st, that's when I'm most active. So, check me out there.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Deal. If it's not the summer – when this is produced, which it won't be – you can go on Instagram.
Daelene Byam: Oh yeah.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: And also, what about your website?
Daelene Byam: I have a website too. Yeah. My website's just daelenebyam.com. And if you're just on Facebook, my stuff goes on to Facebook too; and so, you can check me out there. I think those are all the places.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. Well, I will reach out and get those links from you, and then we can put them in the show notes for people as well.
And I think this is so helpful, I think especially for moms that are thinking like, ‘I don't even know how to deal with my child's anxiety, I don't know what to do with this teenager and I'm really struggling.'
And maybe you've been trying to teach them some tips and tools, and maybe you feel like there is somebody that could help them a little bit more with what they're dealing with right now, reach out to Daelene and check that out.
I think that is a super helpful strategy to have. Like I think that, you know, it's super helpful for us to be able to help our own children, for sure. I think that's like number one, but I also think that having other people in their corner, like why not have as many people as you can in their corner? Right?
Daelene Byam: Yeah. They really do need a neutral place to talk to too. I feel like-- And, I think it's just so important. I've had so many of my clients, and you probably have the same even with the women that you work with, but who open up to you about things that they haven't told anyone else. Right?
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.
Daelene Byam: And I just think it's so, so important for our teens to have that; whether it's an anxiety coach or a regular coach, I think our teens really, really need that. I think it's so important.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: Definitely. Okay. Thanks again. Thank you for being here with us.
Daelene Byam: Thanks, Crystal. That was so fun.
Crystal The Parenting Coach: I hope you enjoyed today's episode. Make sure that you give it Five Stars on Apple, and check out my monthly membership for moms in the show notes.
