S04|10 - The 7 Mom Traps that Keep us from Showing up with Master Coach, Molly Claire

Molly Claire is the Co-founder of The Coaching Collective, CEO and Master Coach at Molly Claire Coaching, best-selling author of, The Happy Mom Mindset.  Molly hosts the Masterful Coach Podcast and she is passionate about helping women build a meaningful, profitable business while keeping balance in their personal life.  Molly has plenty of opportunities to practice what she preaches with 8 kids/step kids and running her business from home.  Molly loves helping women overcome their limiting financial beliefs, build a profitable business that supports their ideal life, and ultimately have the personal and family connections that they love. 

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What we discuss today:

• Molly’s background raising 8 kids and 1 dog in a blended family
• The Happy Mom Mindset book and the 7 traps we can get in as moms
• How to know when we are in the traps
• Practical tools to help our relationship with ourselves
• What life can look like for us after we heal

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Episode Transcript

 

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Welcome to today's episode, The 7 Mom Traps that Keep us from Showing up with Master Coach, Molly Claire. Hello and welcome to the podcast. 

 

Molly’s background, what she does, and her experience raising 8 kids and 1 dog in a blended family

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I have a special guest with me today, and we are going to have a really fun conversation. So, before we dig into the conversation, why don't you introduce yourself to everyone?

 

Molly Claire: Hello. Yes, I am Molly Claire, and I am a mom of eight kids – blended--

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Wow. 

 

Molly Claire: -which is yes, always a-- always a wild ride.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: How old are they? What's their age, Claire?

 

Molly Claire: 20, 19, 18, 17, 16, two 11-year-olds, and a 10-year-old – and a dog.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh my goodness. That is so fun. So fun.

 

Molly Claire: So yeah, so I have-- We have a lot of kids between the two of us; and I built a coaching business, actually, coaching moms as they're navigating motherhood – and wrote my bestselling book, The Happy Mom Mindset. So, that's a little bit of my background. 

And now, I actually work with coaches who are building their own businesses; and many of them, oftentimes, are people who are working with moms, parenting – all those, you know, good life and life balance issues that we all face.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that. I should ask you a technical question too, because I have a few friends that have reached out about coaching, you know, like, how did you become a coach? What did you do? 

And I always direct them to The Life Coach School because that's where Molly and I both certified. In your program, do you take people like any coaches or specific to The Life Coach School?

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, so we have-- Up until this point we have only taken Life Coach School coaches. I'm a Master Coach with the school and have trained Master Coaches as well. 

And so, we really kind of build on a lot of that, but we actually are expanding, but we do work-- We don't work with people who are not certified at all. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Right. 

 

Molly Claire: It's for people who are coaches who are already moving on a trajectory. Right.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. I thought-- I feel like I get DMs on my Instagram, at least, once a week being like, 'Wait, how did you become a Parenting Coach? What do you do? What does that look like?' So, I thought I would ask that for any of my listeners that might be interested.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. I am actually just finishing up on an advanced Parent Coach Training that I will be rolling out, so that's exciting. And that would be only for coaches who are certified through The Life Coach School, at this point.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh, that is so fun. Oh my goodness, I love parent coaching.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, so do I. So do I.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: It's the best. I was doing-- I was kind of coaching all the things when I very first started, and I was like, 'Hmm, but Parent Coaching is just… it just has a special place in my heart, I love it.'

 

The Happy Mom Mindset book and the 7 traps we can get in as moms

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, why don't you tell us a little bit about your book. I feel like it aligns really well because the last couple of weeks we've been talking about our relationship with ourselves and your book is called The Happy Mom Mindset. So, let's just dig right into that. Like, what can we do? Tell us all the things.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, so The Happy Mom Mindset, it's funny because I always worked with moms, but I didn't consider myself a Parenting Coach, per se, because it was really about helping moms to navigate what was going on. 

Because I really think that if, as women and as moms we can take good care of ourselves, be aware of our own thoughts impacting – you know, how we are dealing with any situation with our kids and kind of solve those things for us – the parenting stuff just kind of works itself out, right?

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes, it sure does.

 

Molly Claire: So yeah, my book talks about seven – what I call – The Mom Traps that I've seen women fall into time and again. 

And I don't know how in depth you want to go on, you know, with each of them, but essentially, they're ways that we find ourselves being very much on autopilot, very much taking care of things for our kids that really aren't our job to take care of – or that maybe our kids have outgrown that phase, but we're still taking it on.

You know, a lot of the ways that we believe we have to make our kids succeed, make our kids happy; and in all of this effort to really manage all these things in our family that are outside of our control – guess what – we miss out on managing or looking at and taking care of ourselves.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.

 

Molly Claire: So, that's kind of the overall premise of the book. I go through each of the traps in the book, and give some kind of conceptual and very practical tips for women; and I love it. So, it's a really--

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Let's dig into these. I feel like this will be perfect. I had Dr. Finlayson-Fife on my podcast a few months ago, and one of my favorite quotes that she said was that the best thing that we can do for our motherhood is to take care of ourselves; and I think that that is so 100% so true. 

 

Molly Claire: Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: And what I've seen, because we kind of think it's like selfish, right? Like, "I shouldn't spend time or money on me", or "I should put everything into my kids". But what happens is we actually parent worse from that space; and when we're fueled and, you know, well-taken care of, we can take care of them better. 

So, why don't you just briefly go over what the seven traps are, and then let's dig into maybe a couple of the ones that you feel like would be really helpful.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So, the Seven Traps are;

 

1. Being on autopilot

The first one is being on autopilot. I already mentioned that one; Mom Autopilot, where we just take things on before we even realize it. And this, of course, comes from right at the beginning when you bring home this helpless baby from the hospital and you have to be so in tune with them. 

You know, it's like you know if they breathe the wrong way or if they move slightly. And so, we get so tuned in to our kids, and the problem is that this kind of doesn't go away unless we let it go. And so, I talk about sort of those automatic habits that are stressing us out and overworking us that are really unnecessary.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Totally, because we're so used to that because when they're babies and they come out, they do need us all the time, right? 

 

Molly Claire: Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: They need us to regulate their emotions and their food and their sleep and all the things. And as that, kind of, they gradually wean off of all of those things, it's hard for us to, kind of, break that enmeshment that we have with them.

 

Molly Claire: Yes. Yeah. And, you know, I think women, generally speaking, we feel pretty strongly about this responsibility; we have to raise a child, to raise a human being. So, it's a really big deal. It's a very personal thing for us as women, and so very natural that we take on too much sometimes without knowing it.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes. Totally, yeah.

 

2. Falling into believing you are always on call

Molly Claire: Yeah. So, the next trap is really falling into believing you are always on call, which is kind of a-- It's definitely connected to this autopilot, and that is really going back to that baby, right? 

You are always on call because if they need anything, you are the one to take care of it. And so, in this chapter, I really help women to reframe and see through new fresh eyes what their time and what their boundaries on their time can really look like.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes, that is definitely-- That is definitely also needed.

 

3. Mom comparison

Molly Claire: Yes. Yes, it is. And then, you know, the other traps mom comparison. I don't even think I need to--

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.

 

Molly Claire: We all get it, right?

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I was just coaching on that last night, like, okay, so then our brain said, "By the way, you're doing it wrong." And then our brains tell us all the reasons, right? "Well, this neighbor is doing this, and this friend is doing this." 

And I think with the invention of social media and technology and little computers in our hand – that, that has amplified even more. I think we always had it, but I think since that it's just a lot more difficult because we can see it so frequently, the more that we're on there – and we only post beautiful pictures, right? 

Like, who posts a picture where they like look terrible and their kids are screaming and their house is a mess? We're going to post the ones where like the little corner of their room looks clean and the kids are not screaming for a second; and then everyone else is like, 'They must be perfect all the time.'

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. Yes. Well, and what's interesting is research shows that when we look at social media, we will look at people who seem to have things better than we do, and we feel compare and despair. 

And yet, when we see people who seemingly have it worse, when people post things about things that are not going well, the opposite is not true, actually; when we see that, we don't feel good about ourselves – it's almost like it doesn't register. And so, you don't really have the other option when you're looking on social media other than compare and despair.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Wow. That is fascinating; I had not heard that. But it is just, it's so difficult for our brains to manage when our brain's like, 'By the way, you're not doing it right.' And it's like, straight to comparison. 

 

Molly Claire: Yes. Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Anyways. Okay. Maybe we'll dig into this one later, but tell us the next one.

 

4. Believing we have to make our kids happy

Molly Claire: Yeah. And then the trap of believing we have to make our kids happy, which anyone that has kids knows that's impossible.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes.

 

5. Believing we need to make them succeed

Molly Claire: And the trap that we need to make them succeed; and keep in mind this looks different for every woman as far as what success looks like. Right? And we make it so personal about ourselves, that's a big part of that trap. 

 

6. Being a victim of motherhood

And then, the trap of being a victim of motherhood where we feel like, 'This isn't fair, I do everything.' And believe me, I know these things all can feel very true, but the problem is that the way we process and think about it, can put us as women in such a powerless position. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes.

 

7. No one's really taking care of mom – including you, mom

Molly Claire: And then, the last trap is really what you're talking about this trap of no one's really taking care of mom – including you, mom. Right? 

And really, talking about what that means because I would say that I used to think I did a good job taking care of myself, and I could see certain habits that I prioritize that I would say, "Yeah, I take care of myself physically and I give myself time for this or that." 

But in the book, I talk a little bit more about how this shows up in sneaky ways, because I think those are the ones that get us – not the obvious ones, but the ways that we don't, realizing that we are self-sacrificing to our detriment.

 

How to know when we are in the traps

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. So, I would love for us to kind of show people, what does this actually look like? So, most people on the podcast should know The Model – you've heard me talk about it before – even just kind of the watered-down version would be like; think, feel, do. 

So, I'm curious in that like Do-Section or that Action-line section, what do you see moms doing that are falling into these traps? Like, what does it-- What does it physically look like? What are they doing and not doing when they're kind of in these traps?

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. So, one thing with, for example, the always on call trap, where we kind of believe our time is not our own; what this looks like is always scheduling over the things that should or could be a priority to us for the sake of our kids. 

And oftentimes, I would say this also connects with the victim of motherhood trap because oftentimes, not only are we doing that, but then we're telling ourselves things like; "I don't ever get to have time for myself, this isn't fair, when does my time get to matter?" Right? So, those are kind of connected, but that would definitely be something we would see.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, definitely. Because then we make our time not matter, when we're in that victim mode – that we often don't even see… a lot of this is kind of just happening behind the scenes unconsciously.

 

Molly Claire: Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Then we're like, 'Ugh, we can't do anything.' And that whole motherhood martyr makes it difficult for us to see out of it. And, we do it-- A lot of the times we're doing it more and more to ourselves, right? We don't ask for outside help; we just keep digging in.

 

Molly Claire: Yes. Yes. And one thing, as you said that I want to mention that sometimes I see people mistakenly thinking that the key to no longer being a victim or getting out of this, you know, martyrdom is to kind of just shift the way you're thinking – or kind of dismiss or minimize what you're feeling or wanting, and that is never going to last.

And so, I think that for women who are, you know, this is landing for you and you're thinking, 'Yes, I say those things' and you're thinking 'I shouldn't say those things' – I think a much more powerful way of handling that is taking a minute to see what it is you need; what do I need? How do I want to change the way I'm doing things?

And so, it's kind of like, okay, step one can be possibly, 'Oh, maybe I don't have to be a victim to this'… but if we stay there, we end up minimizing our own feelings; and I don't think that's helpful at all.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, not at all. We just start judging it and being like, 'I know I shouldn't be thinking this, but then like, then what do I do?' 

 

Molly Claire: Right.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Instead of like, I think it's like sitting and listening, right? I talk a lot about empathy with our kids, and compassion and connection. And when they're having a hard time; we come alongside them, we empathize with the emotion behind what they're going through – we sit, we listen, we connect… you know, we're that listening ear. 

But then when it's us that's struggling, we're like; let's just ignore it, let's just push it down, let's just tell us that we shouldn't be listening. Right? It's almost like we're that little child inside of us and instead of coming alongside ourselves, we are just pushing it away and dismissing it. 

So, I one 100% agree with that; it's that sitting with and listening to, and communicating and opening up and then asking ourselves like, what unmet needs are here? Do I need more time to connect with me? You know, do I need more pause, more space? 

 

Molly Claire: Yes. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, I love that.

 

Molly Claire: Yes. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: What else do you see in like, the Action line, in the Do part when people are falling into these traps?

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. So, when we think that our kids should be happy all the time, usually we're getting mad at them; that's what's going on, right? 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that.

 

Molly Claire: So, they're having-- They're having emotions or they're arguing; and then we come in and say, "Stop complaining, stop crying." Right? We try to shut down their emotions. We get frustrated; we may argue with them as if we can argue them into happiness or something, right?

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, 'Let's yell at them and they'll feel happy,' we do this.

 

Molly Claire: So, it's this-- It's just this expectation that our kids should be happy all the time, and that's never going to be true. And in fact, I think when we think that we should, we do them a disservice – we do ourselves a disservice; and I think we actually miss out on so much growth and so many connection opportunities with our kids. 

Just to, like you were saying, just to be with them, you know?

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Totally. And we need that, right? Connection is to be seen and heard. And if we're just like, instead of taking that moment to connect, even in the tough times, we're just like pushing it away, 'Feel better, feel better,' we're not going to have-- We're not going to be able to build that connection with them.

 

Molly Claire: Another thing that I see showing up in our actions when we're falling into this is; always trying to accommodate, always trying to kind of see what everyone needs – and really overextend ourselves, and we kind of allow the kids to run the show. Like, oh, I need them to be happy, so I need to bend over backwards, I need to extend the budget, I need to extend my time. 

And so, we spread ourselves so thin in an effort to make sure that our kids are happy. And then the ironic thing is when we spend too much time and spend too much money on this thing that we think will make them happy, and then they're not happy – then we are really unhappy, right? 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. 

 

Molly Claire: Because we think, 'I did all of this, you should now be happy.' It's just not working, right? None of it is working.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: It's totally not working. And I have to mention to the listeners too, that Molly and I aren't saying that we're like consciously doing this. We're not sitting down and like, 'Whoa, I wonder like how I can get mad at my kids when they're not happy.' Right? 

 

Molly Claire: Hopefully.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: This is all happening behind the scenes in our brain. Our brain has this like curtain, and behind the curtain all of this stuff is going on; and unless we can lift that curtain and notice like, 'Oh, okay, wait, what? Like that's happening?' 

You know, our past beliefs, it's how we were raised, right? Like we were raised to believe that those big emotions aren't okay, that they're not acceptable, because of how we were parented. It's all about just lifting the curtain and being like, 'Okay, what's really behind the scenes here?'

 

Practical tools to help our relationship with ourselves

So, I would love for you to share maybe some of the practical tips that you share in the book; if people are really resonating with this like, 'Yep, I do that' – but okay, so now what? Like, what do we do?

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. So, I mean, just going off of what we just talked about with wanting our kids to be happy all the time. First of all, of course, we want our kids to be happy, right? It's normal that we would want them to be happy, and that we would be frustrated that they are not more happy. 

And so, before I talk about sort of those practical solutions, I just want to offer to your listeners that it comes from a good place because we care about our kids and we want to do a good job, right? 

And so, just notice that if you're falling into this trap, it's because you're butting up against your own insecurities, your own fears, your own desires; it's totally normal. 

And I mean, honestly, just one very simple thing is just allowing space for your kids to be kind of a rollercoaster of emotions; now, that doesn't mean that we don't set boundaries or limits or--  

It's not like we allow our kids to yell at us, or misbehave, right? But when we can just make peace with the idea that our kids are going to be up and down, it allows us to be more stable and present with them so that we can effectively parent them.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. It's all about shifting those expectations, right? 

 

Molly Claire: Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Like when we go in thinking like, our kids should always be calm and quiet and happy, and all of these, whatever those expectations are, and then they aren't… expectations always lead to frustration. 

And then we're showing up in this frustrated mode and we're like, 'But I don't want to be, and I can't figure out how.' We have to like, get really clear on like, 'Well, what, what do we expect parenting to be like?' 

I'm sure that sometimes in your home – with eight kids, a blended family and a dog – that there's some like conflict and some high emotions that happen just like in my home… homeschooling my four kids. 

Well, my husband and I both work from home, like there's going to be a lot. And if I'm expecting it to always be like, happy and calm, and rainbows and daisies, I'm going to be not very happy a lot of the time.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. Yeah. And I think that the other thing is I think sometimes women get kind of stuck thinking that letting go of expectations means that we don't set a standard for what we expect of our kids, with setting rules and consequences. 

So, I think it's important to notice also; yes, you can tell your kids this is the expectation in our home and this is the consequence… but where the unhelpful expectation comes in is we expect our kids that just because we've set the expectation and consequence that they're going to do the thing we ask them to do and do it very happily, right? 

And so, we can set these expectations or kind of the standards of how you parent – and we can have, you know, consequences, rewards, however that goes. But the releasing of the expectations is really about knowing that you are going to give your kids space to navigate that circumstance you've given them in any way they may show up, and then you figure out what to do with it.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. I think that I'm going to put a little plugin for conscious parenting here because within conscious parenting there's not rewards and punishments; it's more of, you know, just consequences that happen naturally where we don't--  

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. Yeah. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: -you know, put ourselves in there. But even in those, some people will be like, 'Oh, does that mean I don't have boundaries… that I let my kids yell at me and hit me?' And that is totally not the case, right?

 

Molly Claire: Right. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: We still can have a boundary. 

 

Molly Claire: It's natural, right? It's there, the natural consequences.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, exactly. They're just always happening and our kids are always learning; and the more that we can work on lowering our expectations and showing up in a way that feels good to us, the more that our kids will be willing to learn from us and to be close to us and to feel that connection.

 

What life can look like for us after we heal

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, I love everything that you've said, and I want to go now to kind of the result. So, if we think of The Model – like now we've gone through, we've done all this work – what is the result line of The Model look like once you can kind of go through these parent traps and do the work to get there? What things shift and change?

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, I mean, the goal really of this work is for you – as a mom, as a woman – to feel more calm, cool and collected, no matter where your kids are on their roller coaster of emotions… is a big one, right? 

And the value in that is then you are able to show up as the most powerful parent. So, it feels better to you, it creates stability and safety for your kids in how they experience you as a parent, and it also allows you to just be a more effective problem-solver. So, that's, you know, certainly one result that I see happening.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh, totally. I think that what we often don't see when we're living in those, kind of, unintentional spaces is what we're not doing. 

And one thing that I've seen time and time again with my clients is that when they can move through this and, kind of, you know, do that healing and that sitting with and move to some new belief or new thought that's really serving them, that they create the most amazing creative solutions. 

And I wouldn't have been able to tell them like, 'This will work for you and your kid,' because I don't know that – but they are able to get there, and it works so effectively for them. And yeah, just what you said, that power in being able to create those positive solutions.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah. Yeah. And I think also just, you know, speaking to the idea that I'm always on call, I'm on autopilot, I'm taking on more things than I should, and then going into this victim space of this isn't fair, when you as a woman can create your own space for you and think of yourself as not just a mom – not that I'm minimizing that, right? 

But meaning like being a mom is not all there is to you; you are a full, dynamic woman. Right? A human being. And so, when you can – be your own woman and give yourself things in your life that fill you up, that energize you, that awaken your creative juices when you can be your own person… that is magical because that's when you can set better boundaries on your time. 

You can really be intentional about what you're doing in your life and you're just happier, you just feel better. And then being a mom is much easier because it doesn't feel like it's taking away from you, but rather something you do from a place of being the most powerful version of you.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, exactly. And our motherhood isn't our only role, right? We have lots of different roles, and we're our own person outside of our role as mom.

 

Molly Claire: Yes.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. So, I've loved this whole conversation. I feel like it's so good. I think all of these traps are ones that I see often with my clients and myself. I mean, I'm sure that you do your own self coaching and have your coaches; I just counted and I'm pretty sure I have four right now. So, I'm like always-- I'm always working on my mind.

 

Molly Claire: Well, you know what's funny? I wrote this book, right? I wrote this and it was actually right before I went through my divorce; and it's like, it's so powerful, and I work with women and I implement all this stuff. 

And I got remarried and this new circumstance in my life, I'll be honest with you, there were so many things that I was feeling pretty overwhelmed… and here I was, like back in these old traps. 

So, I opened my book up and I was like, 'Wow, I really need this book, this is life-changing because it is sneaky, right?'

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh my goodness, that’s awesome.

 

Molly Claire: It's like how we can come to certain circumstances in our life, and it can put us back on autopilot, right? 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. 

 

Molly Claire: And sometimes we can move a little backwards – but that's okay because then when we move forward again, we're in an even stronger place.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. One of my coach calls that spiraled learning; and she's like, 'That is literally how learning happens… it's always forward-backward, forward-backward, but we're reintegrating it – learning it in new ways and in deeper ways.' Right? 

 

Molly Claire: Yes. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: It's like the layers of an onion. It's exactly how learning is supposed to happen. So if you feel that way, if you feel like you're listening and you're like, 'Yeah, I felt like I was doing so well and then like, you know, something happened and I'm way far back,' that's exactly what's supposed to be happening.

Molly Claire: Yes, yes. Absolutely. So, we're, it's all normal, right? We're all just kind of living a different version of the same, you know, same lessons that we're trying to learn, the same--

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, totally. Okay. 

 

How to connect with Molly Claire

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, I would love for you to just tell people where they can connect with you, especially for those people that might be coaches and might be interested. I know that I have several Parenting Coach listeners.

 

Molly Claire: Yeah, so for those of you interested in the book, you just get it on Amazon and there is a workbook that goes along with it. There's a free digital version, but I would recommend that you just buy the paperback. 

When I would always tell people when they would come to me and they weren't ready to work with me, I would say buy the book and use it as if you're paying like full price for coaching because, and I've heard from people by doing that, you will feel a huge difference.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah, we'll have a link to that. If you send me a link, I'll make sure I add it to the show notes.

 

Molly Claire: Perfect. Perfect. So, you can get my book there. And as far as those of you that are coaches, I do work with coaches building their businesses and as I said, I have that Advanced Parent Coach Training that we're finishing up. And so, if you just go to mollyclaire.com, you can find me there and connect.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love it. Love it. Thank you so much for coming on, Molly. Awesome.

 

Molly Claire: Thank you, Crystal. So fun to be here.

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I hope you enjoyed today's episode. Make sure that you give it Five Stars on Apple, and check out my monthly membership for moms in the show notes.