S08|12 - Key Ingredients to Healthy, Intimate and Thriving Partnerships with Sara Nasserzadeh

 

Join my conversation today with relationship expert Dr. Sara Nasserzadeh. She is an Author, Speaker and Thinking Partner with a PhD in Social Psychology and specialization in the fields of human sexuality and relationships. She has over two decades of experience working with thousands of couples across the globe. Widely respected by her peers for her research, powerful keynote speeches, educational platforms and award-winning publications, her ground-breaking work has garnered global attention, with media outlets such as NPR, BBC, ABC, CNN and USA Today.

In this interview you’ll hear: 

• Sara share about her new book and her purpose in helping couples learn to thrive instead of always focusing on “problems” in marriage and partnerships. 
• What the core ingredients of healthy intimate relationships are and exercises to get you started (based on decades of research and work with couples)
• Expanding your touch lexicon with your partner, to increase physical communication and get on the same page
• How to move from being “roommates” with your spouse or partner to being in love again 
• Why our nervous system can be dysregulated around our partner and how to change that 

Sara’s links: 

• A special discount rate for listeners to access the Relationship Panoramic Inventory which offers a 360 review of the critical domains in a coupledom: *Coupon Code Parenting
• IG: @Dr.Sara Nasserzadeh
• Love by Design website: https://lovebydesignbook.com
• The exercises are all available here: https://www.sara-nasserzadeh.com/resources-books-publications/
• Join her newsletter for further resources here: Join the community for free resources and tools.  

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Welcome to today's podcast episode, Key Ingredients to Heathy, Intimate and Thriving Partnerships with Sara Nasserzadeh.

In this interview, you are going to hear all about Sara and her new book…and how writing it, she had the idea to base it less on what are these problems we can get rid of in partnerships and how can we focus on what thriving relationships have – and implement any of those ingredients into ours. 

She also talks about what those core ingredients are of intimate relationships, and she gives you exercises to get started after decades of research that she's done with couples. She talks about expanding your touch lexicon with your partner to increase that physical communication and get you on the same page physically…how to move from being roommates and just liking your partner to being in love again, and why our nervous system can be dysregulated around our partners and how we can change that. 

Hello and welcome to today's podcast episode. We have not had an interview in a while, so I am very excited to bring my friend Sara Nasserzadeh. Did I say it right?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Yes. Perfect.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Oh, good, good. So, if you have been listening to the podcast for a while, you've probably heard my friend Monica from About Progress. I've interviewed her a couple times over the last few years, and she reached out and she was like, 'You have to have Sara on your podcast, she is so good.' 

And I checked her out and I was like, 'Yep, this is perfect.' So, I cannot wait to dive in and talk about all things relationships, and ask her any question that comes to mind, about relationships because she's such an expert. 

 

What Sara Nasserzadeh does and how she got started

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Do you want to first just introduce yourself a little bit and what you do?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Sure. hello everyone out there and thank you, Crystal, for having me. I'm Sara Nasserzadeh. I have a PhD in Social Psychology; and I specialize in sexuality, relationships, and intercultural fluency. So, I'm not kidding when I say ask me any questions that relates to relationships from bedroom to the boardrooms. So, let's dig in.

 

Love by Design: 6 Ingredients to Build a Lifetime of Love by Sara Nasserzadeh

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love it. I love it. Okay, so I want to dig into your book. So, that is something that's been new, right? Did that just come out? It is just coming out. Tell us a little bit about that.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Sure. The new one is called Love by Design: 6 Ingredients to Build a Lifetime of Love, which is based on two decades of working with couples across 40 countries…two pieces of significant pieces of research that when we ask the couples, how do you thrive in this relationship? Not only survive. So, that's what I'm offering in this book.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love it. I love it. So, what I find is oftentimes when I'm coaching – especially when I'm coaching couples, but even just individually – there's kind of issues related to parenting coming up, a lot of times there's kind of just relational issues across the board. And so, I would actually really love to dig into this topic because I think that it is really helpful to not only just listen to the parenting aspect of it, but also to dig into our partner relationships as well. So, I would love to dig into that with you. 

And if you are listening to this episode and you're like, 'I don't have this relationship right now,' or whatever, I think that we will touch on points that will help you in the future and regardless of what life stage you're at right now.

 

The findings of research on relationships 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, let's dig into those six ingredients then. And I would love to hit on also the research, what the research is showing as well when it comes to relationships.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Absolutely. So, first and foremost, in your podcast, I'm assuming you're mostly talking about parenting, and coaching people. When we talk about coaching and parenting or any kind of relationship, the first thing that we need to pay attention to is people who are involved – the individuals – and also the dynamics that they have and the resources that are involved…currencies that are at play. So, these are the things that we look at, right? 

So, for example, resources, the way that I divide them are time, energy, attention, and money because these are the ones that we don't have unlimited off. So, we need to really decide intentionally every day, where do I put any of this? Right? So, that's one; resources. 

The other one is we wanted to see why relationships thrive. Because majority of research to this day, they are focusing on what is not working, what is wobbly, right? But that was not good enough for me, or I didn't want that for my clients. 

I want to give something to people to say, "Hey, this is the roadmap to success," to be individually thriving as well as a couple. 

So, when we flip the question, six ingredients started to emerge; attraction, respect, trust, compassion, shared vision, and loving behavior. So, these were the six ingredients. 

And then if you really think about it in any relationship, you need some versions of these for the relationship to come together and to thrive. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: And we can go to the research, but it's online; it's on relationship-panoramic.com. If people go to it, they will see the whole research. For the nerds out there--

 

Submergent Love versus Emergent Love

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that idea; and I love the idea of we're not asking like, what's going wrong? Because I think we do that often. We're just like, pathologizing everything. Okay, these are all of the things we want to like, somehow code out of the programming within ourselves, our relationships, whatever…let's see what we can do differently. 

But I love flipping that question to be like, what makes it thrive and how can we add those ingredients into our lives? Let's dig into each one. So, what was the first one that you mentioned?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Sure. Can I just first give you the framework? Because I think if we have the framework, it makes more sense for people because when I say attraction, we heard about it before…respect, we heard about it before. But what is different this time? Because I'm really claiming that I'm offering a new model of love. 

So, basically, the way that many of us grew up, we grew up thinking one plus one equals one (1+1=1). So, two people come together (of opposite sex), meet, and then fall in love…become one. So, one plus one equals one (1+1=1), and then the rest is history. 

But in this model, which is based on the systems theory – it's a pretty solid foundation, scientific foundation – what I'm offering is wrong math, but good relationship…one plus one equals three (1+1=3). And what I mean by that is any kind of in-laws, pets, children, anything that you need to take care of, anything that requires resources from each of you…goes into that third circle. So, that's really important. 

The first one, one plus one equals one, I call submerging love. So, in a way, we're submerging into one another…codependency…all of those good stuff happen in that, right? I hope my voice shows that this ironic when I say good stuff, right? That's not very good. 

So, on the other side of it, one plus one equals three; hat is the model that we're aspiring to, and that's the emergent love. So, basically, all these six ingredients need to be present. Yes people, all of them, non-negotiable. Inconsistent, and continuum interaction with one another, with quality. Then we are going to give love a chance to even exist. So, that's a complete shift of mind; submergent versus emergent.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. So, when we go through the ingredients, I would love for you to share kind of the difference, like maybe what would this look like in Submergent versus Emergent so that we have a better idea of that.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Absolutely. So, there are some relational configurations that I'm offering in the book. For example, if people imagine that there are two circles separate from one another, so I call them friends with benefit. There are others that are coming a little bit touching a little bit, having some shared the space, but not really; that's the conventional couple…that contemporary couple, so to speak, that many people think that we have shared the space and we have some of ourselves left too. Right? 

And then Submergent, there are two circles; imagine that they're very much intertwined, almost overlapping with one another. So, there are eight categories that I offer for people. 

By the way, there is no right or wrong in relational spaces. I don't want to come across as, 'Oh, this is the only model.' The problem is we don't have any new model, everything evolved. Everything has a plan in life, like from meal planning and exercise planning, travel, everything. 

But for love, when it comes to love – one of the most important aspects of our lives – we have no planning. But this is for people who would like to build something rather than experience, just go after experiences in life, but there's no judgment now. 

The difference; at the end of the day, when you experience emergent love in your relationship, what you feel on a daily basis is feeling seen…you have a peace of heart, clarity of mind…you have all of those resources that I mentioned allocated in a way that are fulfilling and rewarding – for you and your partner and the couple them together and everybody involved, right? So, that is the difference.

In Submergent Love, however, people fight over fairness, this is not fair. People fight over chores, people fight over, am I seen? Am I loved? Am I being celebrated for who I am? There are-- There's a lot of trauma-bonding these days, for example. 

You know, we share of our childhood trauma and drama and, you know, whatnot…all of that has a space. However, on the other side of it, what makes you thrive and feel fulfilled is not only that…it's also, what is it that I'm proud of about myself? And are you proud of it too? 

When we are in a couple of them, are you celebrating for whatever that I'm celebrating for myself…or should I hide it from you because they're not acceptable, let alone celebrate it? 

So, these are the fundamental differences that you see in couples who could accumulate the emerging love versus people who put all of their efforts and exhaust themselves, think they do all the things they can for the relationship – but because the efforts are not put in the right place, they feel out of place. They feel out of source, and nothing is moving and they're not thriving.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. I love that description of the difference. I love the idea of, can you celebrate me? Like, here is my celebration, I'm happy for me. …do I hide that, or can I give that to you also and we can celebrate together?

 

The core ingredients of intimate relationships

Crystal The Parenting Coach: So, let's dig into a little bit of the ingredients. And then I would love to kind of help you give-- have you give us some helpful tips, if people do feel like they want to move from surviving to thriving. So, let's dig into each just kind of give a little brief overview of what your description of them is and how it's a little bit different.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Absolutely. I think this is the third time you ask that question, and I'm finally going to answer that.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yes. Okay, let's do it.

 

1. Attraction

Sara Nasserzadeh: In no particular order, if we go to attraction, attraction determines...why do I want to be around you? Why do you want to be around me? It's simple. Although I wrote a whole chapter on it, but if people can only remember this, that will be really good. 

And then we are going to differentiate between attraction and intimacy, desire and arousal. And we are going to talk about sexual attraction as a small part of this whole umbrella of attraction that happens within two people who are going to build a life together. So, that's attraction; why do you want to be around each other? 

And then if attraction doesn't translate into intimacy…into me, I see…into me, you see because I allowed you – I know myself enough and I opened the door in a safest space for you to see me celebrate me, then attraction continues and evolves.

But if I just base my whole criteria of wanting to be around you based on that physical attraction or sexual attraction, or initial attraction… as we evolve, as humans go through different seasons and phases of life, inevitably we're going to lose it. And that's when couples end up in my office that I love them, but I'm not in love with them. So, that's attraction. 

 

2. Respect

When we talk about respect, we're talking about where do you allocate your resources? Am I a priority for you? Do you hear me when I talk about my boundaries? Are you able to be respectable, respectful? Are you a person that I could respect? Do you respect yourself? How are you holding your boundaries – lovingly and firmly, or passive aggressive? So, that's that respect. 

 

3. Trust

With trust, when it comes to trust…two words, I want people to remember; reliability and consistency. And trust is not just having fidelity or infidelity, as it is known in the trendy culture. It's about social trust. If I tell you something tonight in your arms, am I going to hear it from your aunt tomorrow? So, that sort of, social and financial, emotional, relational, sexual, all of that in combination of the trust based on the agreement that you have with one another…and reliably and consistently, we show up for it. 

 

4. Compassion

Compassion; a lot of couples relate to one another, which we do as human beings. For example, you say, "Sara, I'm hungry," I immediately by default, as another human, I think, 'Hmm, but I'm not.' That's a default, right? You see it in a 2-year-old, 3-year-old, five-year-old. But as we evolve, we move beyond relating, right? 

What we do is we also cultivate empathy; we feel with the other person, which is great, but there's a little too much of it in intimate relationships these days. And allow me to express, because this is controversial for some people, depending on how they define it. I think that on everyday basis, based on our research, also, we need more compassion showing up for the other without making it about ourselves. 

So, if you come to me and say, "Sara, you hurt me," I should be able to hold the space for you, hear you out. I should be able to be there for you, not making it about me. So, I'm not going to feel with you, I'm going to feel for you; that's the difference. 

But if you are in an intimate space, in sexual space, you want to feel with each other – the erotic empathy, for example – go for it, going to create magic. 

But on everyday interactions, compassion is the way to go. Compassion is showing up for one another without making it about ourselves.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that definition. I've heard of-- I've heard a few different definitions of compassion, and one is kind of connecting to the emotion behind what someone's going through. And I think compassion is like the number one goal I have for parenting. 

Whenever I can move into that energy myself, I always parent in the way that I want to. It's like how to move into that energy is usually the question for me. So, I love that idea of compassion being something that we can feel for them, feel that feeling with them but not be, I guess, totally taken over by the emotion.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Mm-Hmm. Wonderful. And when you go to parenting, getting to that space – if I may offer something – when you remind yourself that, 'I'm the mother, I'm the parent figure here, I'm the parent,' you abide by the rules that are defined by your role, however that you define it – then you are grounded and you can present yourself with compassion. 

But parents who lose their thing around their children, those are the parents who are emotionally-- they're not regulated enough; and majority of them, it comes out of good place because they're over empathizing with the kid. 

So, these are the things that if we can really-- That's my hope to offer a new discourse around generally misunderstood concepts that can actually help people with their peaceful and harmonious connections with one another in any space. So, that's compassion.

 

5. Shared vision

 

6. Loving behavior

Last but not least, is the loving behavior. Loving behaviors have a certain quality to them that you can't see it in other behaviors or actions. For example, when you are loving towards a person – especially in a romantic partnership – you are tender, you give them benefit of the doubt, you go out of your way, you are exclusive with your words…with your touch in a way that make them special. 

So, when I say exclusive, it doesn't mean that when you have two children or five children, or if you are in polyamorous relationship, you can't really offer the same touch to another person. But it's important for people to know that this is a touch that is preserved for this loving, exclusive space. 

So, this is not-- I have so many couples that tell me, over the years-- And it's so interesting that we don't really pay attention to it. But I have couples who tell me, you know, "My husband calls our cat darling and calls me darling too." Or the nicknames that they have for one another. So, these are-- We need to pay attention to them if we want to elevate the relationship into a loving and romantic and special relationship. So, that's how I would describe these six ingredients in few words.

 

How to fall in love with your partner again

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. Thank you. And we'll also have a link to her book, if you would love to learn more about this and read it all. 

I would love to go back to the first ingredient you talked about, attraction, because I see that often in people that I talk to – both just in my regular life and also in my coaching life of this…'Yeah, we like each other and we do feel somewhat of a connection, but we're mostly like roommates, we're not really like in love anymore.' 

So, for somebody that feels that way, especially I think it happens when maybe you've been together for a while, maybe you have lots of children and there's like busyness happening all of the time…maybe you are really invested in work and so you're not spending as much time together as you used to. What would you say to people like this? 

Like, we have all of these ingredients, but what do they actually do now to help them move from that space of just being roommates who like each other to being in love again?

 

Exercises for a physical connection and thriving partnerships

Sara Nasserzadeh: There's a lot that we can unpack there. And there's a whole chapter on physical connection that I have in the book; I invite people to go and explore it. But if I want to give people one exercise is…look, when we live together for a long time, our nervous system is going to resonate with one another. This is what happens for many people, right? 

So, it's as if I'm tickling myself. I'm not going to laugh. It's not going to make anything-- It's not going to arouse me in any way, right? Because being tickled, being nervous, all of that…or agitation to the nervous system in one way or the other, depending on how we interpret it, right? So, that's one; familiarity. 

Familiarity happens for some couples. For some other couples, one thing that happens is they're actually quite alienated with one another. Over the years, they might intellectually, relationally, even emotionally like each other…their bodies don't like each other anymore because maybe you snore, you wake me up every night – my body does not like your body, right?

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Or for example, you are shouting too much…my body is scared when it's around your body. So, these are the nuances that I want--

 

Expanding your touch lexicon with your partner to increase that physical communication and get you on the same page physically

Sara Nasserzadeh: Again, you know, I talk about it a lot, but let me give people one exercise that they can do after our conversation today. I give my couples this exercise that I call touch lexicon. 

By the same token that I say, choose wisely when it comes to nicknames and terms of endearment or however that you address each other…I want people to expand their lexicon, touch lexicon. 

The way that you touch your son, you might go and kiss their forehead to put them to bed…but if you do the same exact thing to your husband, it might be comforting when they're not feeling good or they have fevers or, you know, whatever, endearing. Right? 

But that's not necessarily an invitation to come and let's have hot sex. So, whatever touch that we give to one another is calling out a certain action or role in the other person. So, that's important for us to remember. 

One of the-- The exercises I give to my couples is, just carve some time – 10 minutes, I'm not asking for too much – and go in a place that you are not interrupted…maybe on your bedroom, you know, on your bed in the bedroom or in a hot tub, bathtub, whatever that works for you. And start giving each other certain touches, and have the other person guess, what kind of a touch am I giving you? 

Let's say for example, you are thinking that you are giving passionate touch to the other person; and the other person says, "Oh, you just told me I'm a very good mother. Thank you." Right? So, there is so much discrepancy there that I can't even tell you that when couples come back, they have so much that they learned about each other. So, that would be really helpful exercise just to start people off.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. Just so that we're on the same page about what it is that we're trying to communicate, I love that idea of it being a touch lexicon; like, this is what this touch means.

 

How to make your bodies physically connected as a couple

Crystal The Parenting Coach: And I also thought it was interesting what you said, how our bodies might not be attracted anymore…our bodies might have some sort of a nervous system response that isn't necessarily happening intellectually. If people find that that is happening for them besides this touch lexicon, where would they start to kind of build that again so that their bodies can be attracted to feel more calm, to feel more regulated around their partner?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: First and foremost, bring your bodies together and see how you feel. And you need to have a level of communication with one another to be able to do this, not everybody feels safe to do this. 

There's another chapter here that I wrote about conflict, because you cannot be talking about any kind of relationship without giving people some tools to know their conflict management styles, as well as how to regulate themselves and the other person, for that matter. 

One of the basic exercises I give to people is to sit back-to-back and try to breathe…see what comes up for you…see if you can tolerate the temperature of the other person. And do you feel safe? Do you feel okay? 

When I feel safe-- Again, the 'word' safe, I have issues with because they're not going to put us on fire. And, you know, having domestic violence or violence in a relationship is not as common as we might think. 

However, there are relationships out there that make you so unsafe just by the person shouting off the top of their lungs or throwing stuff or stern look that they give you or constantly you feel like you are under their thumbs that your body doesn't really feel like you can put your guards down. 

So, just to begin with, can you sit back-to-back, breathe for a couple of minutes and see what comes up? Some people giggle, some people cry; that's the release of the nervous system, right? That's a release of anxiety for the body. And then we'll take it from there. 

But there are ways that people can come together if they wish to. And little by little, paying attention to the details and bring the bodies together to be around each other first and then like each other, and then God knows…bring each other pleasure.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: And do you talk about these kinds of exercises throughout the book?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Oh, yeah.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. Okay.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: I actually recommend people, 'Don't get overwhelmed, just read one chapter at a time,' because I put 20 years of practicing to this and two pieces of research. I wrote it to be the book that my son will pick up when it's his time to create relationships for himself, because the wisdom that we have around relationship is timeless…and this could really carry people over time. 

And I wanted to put it all in here so that they have something, a reference to go back to, all explained – not just a theory; I want people to have fluency and literacy.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: I love that idea. And so, if you're listening to this, grab Sara's book and just do one chapter at a time. Just read through it, do some of the exercises, and just see what comes up. I love these little tidbits of exercises you've given us; they're so different, I think, than other experts that I've talked to about this. 

Usually, it's more like in the logical space, thinking about it and talking about it. But I love these physical exercises we can do, because really, if our body-- if our nervous system feels dysregulated, it's not going to be so much explaining to our brain that it should feel calm. Right? 

It's going to be doing something more in our body. So, I love those tips that you gave us.

 

How to connect with Sara Nasserzadeh

Crystal The Parenting Coach: And for anyone that wants to reach out and connect with you or work with you, do you work with people only in your own state? Or how does that work?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Well, I don't offer psychotherapy; I offer coaching and consulting to keep my practice global. And if there's a need for people, I refer them to people who do mental health practices. But usually I get referrals from other colleagues because there are certain things that a coach can do-- consultant can do that the therapist can't do, and other way around. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Yeah. 

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: But as a matter of offering, actually, I would love people if they want to see where they are in their relationship and to keep it positive, I would love to offer people to do their relationship-panoramic inventory, if they are in a couple, couple them. What it does is that it's about 28- 9 pages. It's not overwhelming as you think; it's all visual. Majority of it is visual, just to show you what are the areas that you are very strong at as a couple. 

Let's say for example, the trust is really strong, a shared vision is very strong, and maybe your physical connection is not very good…or maybe there are certain temperaments like thinking style that you need to work on and make think with one another. So, I'm going to--  

On every podcast that I go, I also offer them the discount for the relationship-panoramic to see if people like to take it. 

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: Okay. 

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: And if they consent, they can receive it, they can-- the couple can receive the results. If they're working with somebody like yourself, they can provide your name…the report comes to you, and then you can sit with them – you know, sit with a couple and go through it with them.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: That sounds like such a great resource. We will have all of these links, the links to her book and to this resource as well in the show notes – if you want to find them there. And how do they connect with you on social media? You're on Instagram, I know; what is your handle again?

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Oh, it's @dr.saranasserzadeh and that is on Instagram, Facebook, wherever that people are. But if they want to receive resources, I recommend that they join the newsletter because I don't remember to be honest--  

Although through social media, they will know when the newsletter goes out…but within the community, I will share anything new that I write. Like, for example, I wrote recently about jealousy and envy. And I walk people through literacy to fluency.

 

Crystal The Parenting Coach: That sounds so good. Okay. So, everybody, get on her newsletter, we will have a link for that as well in the show notes. Thank you so much for being here and for sharing about your new book. And I love that value behind writing your book in like 'I want something for my son to be able to go back to and this is what I want for him.' And that's just lovely. 

And I can't wait to have this podcast episode go out and be able to really help people that are in these relationships where we don't want to just try and figure out; how do we survive? How do we code out all of these things from programming that we don't want, but how do we actually bring ingredients into our relationship that help us to thrive?

So, thank you. Thank you for coming on.

 

Sara Nasserzadeh: Thank you for having me, Crystal.

 

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